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PostSubject: Would you trust these LED headlights?   Would you trust these LED headlights? I_icon_minitimeFri Jul 14, 2017 3:56 pm

Thoughts on these for replacements?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/LED-H7-Headlight-Bulbs-40W-Light-Bulbs-For-2002-2013-Honda-Silver-Wing-ABS-/172657015223?hash=item283328f9b7:g:gsAAAOSwtGlZCOF3&vxp=mtr

Or would this overdraw the already topped out SWing fun electrical system?
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PostSubject: Re: Would you trust these LED headlights?   Would you trust these LED headlights? I_icon_minitimeFri Jul 14, 2017 4:14 pm

Actually at 40W draw they will draw less than the original bulbs will. I think your good as long as the lumes are as high as original brightness.
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PostSubject: Re: Would you trust these LED headlights?   Would you trust these LED headlights? I_icon_minitimeFri Jul 14, 2017 4:37 pm

The electrical systems on the swings are wired to be at full draw all the time and dump all the excess out before the battery through heat, so when you put something drawing less power, it equals more heat. Just a thought.
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PostSubject: Re: Would you trust these LED headlights?   Would you trust these LED headlights? I_icon_minitimeFri Jul 14, 2017 8:33 pm

There is more to consider then electrical draw, we have 440 watts of alternator power, so we have enough power for additional lighting and heated grips etc.

These will not fit physically, the reflector assembly in the wing is designed to use a standard H7 with the Honda adaptor. This makes the base close to 3/8" thick where the wire retainer clamps it in.
It also uses a different plug spacing (hence the adaptor).

I've tried using these bulbs, and had no success, I decided not to try to retrofit any LED headlights.
I added 10w LED driving lights, and changed to Sylvania LED's for the stop/tail and rear turns.
To load compensate the LED turns on the rear I put in yellow halogens in the front positions.

If you need more forward light, just use the 85w Phillips Powersport bulbs and add the LED driving lights to add side fill lighting.
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PostSubject: Re: Would you trust these LED headlights?   Would you trust these LED headlights? I_icon_minitimeFri Jul 14, 2017 9:20 pm

The catch is getting the right bulb for the reflector, in our case the same type bulb that came with the bike, LED, .HID all great when matched to their respective reflectors, another consideration the headlight lens itself this plays into the light distribution also
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PostSubject: Re: Would you trust these LED headlights?   Would you trust these LED headlights? I_icon_minitimeSat Jul 15, 2017 2:16 pm

oldwingguy wrote:
The catch is getting the right bulb for the reflector, in our case the same type bulb that came with the bike, LED, .HID all great when matched to their respective reflectors, another consideration the headlight lens itself this plays into the light distribution also

All the experience here with the LED Head lights has been negative, LED's seem to be OK in other areas of the Fellows bikes, But negative for many reasons in the head light attempts.

I suggest the conventional lamps until something better is devised.

Happy motoring lloyd 193. swing
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PostSubject: Re: Would you trust these LED headlights?   Would you trust these LED headlights? I_icon_minitimeSat Jul 15, 2017 4:49 pm

If it ain't broke.................
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PostSubject: Re: Would you trust these LED headlights?   Would you trust these LED headlights? I_icon_minitimeMon Jul 17, 2017 10:47 am

Thanks for the input fellas, I just wanted a brighter light.

I am grabbing a Phillips Powersport as Sidewinder Pilot mentioned above.
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PostSubject: Re: Would you trust these LED headlights?   Would you trust these LED headlights? I_icon_minitimeMon Jul 17, 2017 7:01 pm

Osram also make brighter replacements, particularly the "Nightbreaker."
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PostSubject: Re: Would you trust these LED headlights?   Would you trust these LED headlights? I_icon_minitimeMon Jul 17, 2017 7:55 pm

Please remember one thing with normal incandescent bulb at least, brighter is generally hotter, you don't want warped reflectors.
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PostSubject: Re: Would you trust these LED headlights?   Would you trust these LED headlights? I_icon_minitimeMon Jul 17, 2017 8:40 pm

Correct, as a generalisation. The halogen Osrams I mentioned are 55watt items per the OEM spec, so shouldn't be a problem.
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PostSubject: Re: Would you trust these LED headlights?   Would you trust these LED headlights? I_icon_minitimeMon Jul 17, 2017 10:41 pm

I ran the 85w bulb in the lowbeam position and a 65w as the highbeam for several months, then switched positions several months ago.
I have had no problem with heat warping or wiring issues in the nearly 2 years/40,000 miles with these bulbs.
However, I would NOT use the 100w or 120w bulbs that can be found if you look really hard...

BTW, my 85w bulb package was labeled "For off-road use only"
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PostSubject: Re: Would you trust these LED headlights?   Would you trust these LED headlights? I_icon_minitimeTue Jul 18, 2017 1:26 am

I fitted Osram Nightbreakers and they're very good, but if I wanted LED headlights it would be simpler to trade in the Silver Wing for a more modern design maxi scooter that has partial or full LED lights as OE.
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PostSubject: Re: Would you trust these LED headlights?   Would you trust these LED headlights? I_icon_minitimeTue Jul 18, 2017 1:57 pm

Exactly!
Same with HID, even if you cobbled some way to install them with some sort of spacer, the curvature of the reflector is designed for the size of the filament and it's relative placement.
You would likely either have an indistinct patch of light, or the focus would just glare at oncoming traffic.

..........However, If one where really, really hell bent on LED upfront, you could cut away the back of the reflector assembly and imagineer a mount for a big LED driving light to shine through the front lens.

Me...
I'll just stick with the originally engineered, universally available and easily replicable halogen.
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PostSubject: Re: Would you trust these LED headlights?   Would you trust these LED headlights? I_icon_minitimeMon Aug 07, 2017 2:37 pm

The only good way to upgrade a halogen light is to retrofit HID projector. There's generally options available to install them in place of the halogen bulb without much trouble. Just make sure there's room for it.

The last I've seen there aren't any good options for LEDs.

It doesn't (mis)use the original reflector, so there's no glare.
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PostSubject: Re: Would you trust these LED headlights?   Would you trust these LED headlights? I_icon_minitimeMon Aug 07, 2017 3:51 pm

hypophthalmus wrote:
The only good way to upgrade a halogen light is to retrofit HID projector. There's generally options available to install them in place of the halogen bulb without much trouble. Just make sure there's room for it.

The last I've seen there aren't any good options for LEDs.

It doesn't (mis)use the original reflector, so there's no glare.

All the fellows here in Florida that I work with have had poor results trying to change over to LED Headlights, Some have spent a lot and wasted a lot of time. Bulbs are best and easily replaced. Happy motoring lloyd 193. swing
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PostSubject: Re: Would you trust these LED headlights?   Would you trust these LED headlights? I_icon_minitimeThu Aug 24, 2017 6:59 pm

Silverwing electrical system will take anything you throw at it.
In 14  years I have never heard of anyone overloading it, and believe me people have installed everything you can think of.

These are pricy but the cream of the crop in terms of brightness.
https://www.clearwaterlights.com/collections/all-products/products/darla-1
Have them on my Honda NM4 and they are amazing.

24 watts consumption each (on high).
2" diameter.
High power.
2000+ lumens each.
7 ounces.
Fully dimmable.
Includes wiring harness.
Custom tooled optics.
CNC machined.
Made in the U.S.A.

If you really want to go big, check out the Sevina Model @ 7500 Lumens EACH.
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PostSubject: Re: Would you trust these LED headlights?   Would you trust these LED headlights? I_icon_minitimeFri Aug 25, 2017 2:28 am

Why bother with LED lights at all on a maxi scooter that's been discontinued in the original FSC/FJS versions and doesn't have them on the later SW-T. For the amount of night riding the average owner does, I've found uprating the OE headlamp bulbs gives a great improvement, especially over a pitch black section rural section of the Pennines I occasionally ride over at night. Adding bolt on LED lights wouldn't add much, but may be useful to switch on when it's foggy.

I've no idea what new maxi scooters are imported into the US, but looking for example at the current crop of new Kymco, Yamaha, and SYM models, they're all equipped with full or partial LED lights front and rear. The new Suzuki Burgman 400 is similarly kitted out for 2017, and a maxi with it's LED 'eyebrow' lights illuminated looks far more clean looking and impressive than a maxi with bolt on LED lights cobbled on to the fork legs or wherever the owner can fit them.

All these bolt on LED's look more at home on the current crop of adventure bikes which seems to be the market they're aimed at.

So when I finally summon up the interest to trade in my Silver Wing, and I'll admit to having the odd look at more up to date maxi scooters in dealers showrooms recently, the ones fitted with full or partial OE LED lights front and rear and daytime running LED's would be priority choices.
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PostSubject: Re: Would you trust these LED headlights?   Would you trust these LED headlights? I_icon_minitimeFri Aug 25, 2017 12:06 pm

I installed these about a year ago and have been super happy with them. VERY bright and they were a direct replacement for the OEM bulbs... https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01DF8ZU6W/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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PostSubject: Re: Would you trust these LED headlights?   Would you trust these LED headlights? I_icon_minitimeFri Aug 25, 2017 1:19 pm

BatesMark,
The last picture on your link is a good demonstration of why you shouldn't do this. See the sharp cutoff on the "LED headlight off" picture compared to "LED headlight on"? That's why you need a proper reflector/projector designed for your bulb. In addition to having clearly lit trees, you'll be blinding every oncoming driver.
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PostSubject: Re: Would you trust these LED headlights?   Would you trust these LED headlights? I_icon_minitimeFri Aug 25, 2017 2:35 pm

Overly bright headlamps, especially those with bright foregrounds and sharp cut-off, create another quite dangerous issue as well. The bright field causes your pupils to contract, greatly reducing your vision in lesser and non-illuminated areas beyond the bright foreground and outside the cut-off. Overly bright foreground lighting exacerbates this.

You know, those places where the 170 lb (Flotida) deer is preparing to jump across the road in front of you. This has killed more than one rider here in our State forests...
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PostSubject: Re: Would you trust these LED headlights?   Would you trust these LED headlights? I_icon_minitimeFri Aug 25, 2017 3:52 pm

Gustafa wrote:
The electrical systems on the swings are wired to be at full draw all the time and dump all the excess out before the battery through heat, so when you put something drawing less power, it equals more heat. Just a thought.

This is a common misconception as to the shunt rectifier/regulators (R/R) used in most bikes.

Shown below is the current flow from the generator through the regulator and load when the generator output is equal to (or less than) the load, just one phase is shown:

Would you trust these LED headlights? Shuntregulator-01

Current flows from the generator coil, through a rectifier in the regulator, to the battery and load, and back to the generator coil. Heat relative to the external load is being generated by the rectifier's forward voltage drop (an inefficiency; all electrical components are inherently inefficient.).

Here's the situation when generator output exceeds the load, again just one phase is shown:

Would you trust these LED headlights? Shuntregulator-02

Here the regulator is doing it's thing and has activated the displayed phase's silicon controlled rectifier (SCR) "shunt" sending the unused portion of the coil's output back to the coil through that SCR. However other than the forward drop of the SCR and coil impedance there is no other load on the bypassed power, generating very little additional heat.

This "very little" heat does of course increase the overall heat dissipation of the R/R device, however as the shunted power is simply "circulating" in the generator it's not as dire a situation as the misconceptions, and misleading dribble spouted by aftermarket R/R vendors would have one believe.
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PostSubject: LED headlight installation 2013 model   Would you trust these LED headlights? I_icon_minitimeSat Jan 20, 2018 10:08 am

lloyd193 wrote:
oldwingguy wrote:
The catch is getting the right bulb for the reflector, in our case the same type bulb that came with the bike, LED, .HID all great when matched to their respective reflectors, another consideration the headlight lens itself this plays into the light distribution also

All the experience here with the LED Head lights has been negative, LED's seem to be OK in other areas of the Fellows bikes, But negative for many reasons in the head light attempts.

I suggest the conventional lamps until something better is devised.

Happy motoring lloyd 193

After changing out the halogen lights in my car a year ago and seeing the amazing difference the LED lights did in visibility both forward and sideways I decided to change out the halogens in my recently acquired 2013 Silverwing. After laying out what needed to happen they easily installed and made an amazing difference in visibility. these LEDs are only 40 watts each and have the heat sink with cooling fan as part of the assembly.
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Arcamedies?... Who is Arcamedies?
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Cosmic_Jumper wrote:
Arcamedies?... Who is Arcamedies?

Something to do with a screw? Laughing
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The Greek Math wiz, misspelled because someone else had already taken the name in 1985
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Archimedes! Wasn't he the Eureka! guy? or am I just making it up?
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Archimedes, hmm wasn't it the Principle of the thing Smile
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Yep he walked past the citizens and shouted eureka I have found it, rumor has it he did this naked though Shocked


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PostSubject: Re: Would you trust these LED headlights?   Would you trust these LED headlights? I_icon_minitimeSat Jan 20, 2018 1:27 pm

The " cut off line " took a bit of getting used to with our cage, BUT I wouldn't want it any different, low beams are fine for general and city driving but out in the hills where we live the high beams are such an improvement I wouldn't go back. I can't say about my S'Wing, never rode in the dark with it, in fact it's never been ridden by me in the rain Smile
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PostSubject: LEDs that work plug n play   Would you trust these LED headlights? I_icon_minitimeTue Jan 30, 2018 10:31 am

Gustafa wrote:
Thoughts on these for replacements?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/LED-H7-Headlight-Bulbs-40W-Light-Bulbs-For-2002-2013-Honda-Silver-Wing-ABS-/172657015223?hash=item283328f9b7:g:gsAAAOSwtGlZCOF3&vxp=mtr

Or would this overdraw the already topped out SWing fun electrical system?

I noticed the plug in ends were spade connectors not a single plug, kinda cheesy. I found a set with the correct plug and it's an easy plug n play type replacement with amazing results both for daytime and night riding.Would you trust these LED headlights? Led_co10
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